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Brendan: I’m here today with Peter Dingle. He’s based in Perth. Can you tell me what you're currently doing in relation to health and safety? Tell us a little bit about your career.
Peter: Brendan, I started out as an academic many decades ago. In fact I think it was about three decades ago and I’ve always had this passion for looking at more of a total picture of health not just a treatment or a symptom or a drug or even a nutrient. I love the idea of looking at the whole picture. It's my philosophy that it came back when I was teaching at literally hundreds of students and so on but you've got to look at all of the picture.
Brendan: are you saying the picture in relation to personal health?
Peter: absolutely. What I used to call The DEAL, Diet, Environment, Attitude and Lifestyle. There’s not one area that dominates. You’ve got to look at them all. Some people can head into that stress is the only thing. For example some of the work that we're doing now on gut health shows that a lot of it is coming down from the stress shutting down the gut. Literally shutting down digestion, shutting down the enzymes, shutting down the micro bio. A great way when it comes to taking supplements with these. Unless you're going to get that side fixed it's not going to work. You can be the biggest meditator in the world but if you're eating the wrong foods then it's a balance that we've got to get in every aspect of our lives. We’re constantly pushing that.
I supposed what we've been doing rightly over the last couple of years is working on gut health. Of course everyone knows what that is now Brendan. Oh gut health, I know all about that. What surprised me is how little people know. In fact after researching this for quite a few years I’m surprised how little I know.
Brendan: do you think there is a trend happening at the moment to people being more proactive towards their health or do you think that the majority of the population is still reactive?
Peter: the majority is still reactive. I think we've probably got a 5%, a 5% really a concern of doing something. These figures are made up obviously. It’s 5% and then we've got another 10% who are sick as hell and want to do something about it. The other 75% to 80% of whatever it is sits back and thinks I’m okay. I’m not showing any signs as they are. Basically they wait until they get sick or start going on the pharmaceutical treadmill and get sicker as a result of it.
Brendan: are you seeing the government doing anything about the nation's health in general, I mean to support as more of a preventative approach?
Peter: not really. It’s a token gesture. At the end of the day they've got one hand which is telling people not to eat their junk foods and on the other hand they've got all the breakfast food to the sugary gluten rich, gluten enriched breakfast foods that have no nutrient value whatsoever and they're telling people this is the food for breakfast. An absolute contradiction. The Heart Foundation on the one hand telling people to look after their heart and giving people the absolute wrong message. There’s too much vested interest in health. There’s too much money and the big players out there, the food industry, the pharmaceutical companies, the medical systems, it's billions and trillions of dollars. When it comes to the final message getting through the public it's usually being filtered through so many different lobby groups along the way that there is really no value in that information. Something like 50% of the lobby groups in Canberra are things like the big pharmaceutical companies.
Brendan: it's almost like whoever has the most money wins.
Peter: Brendan, I joke at my talks. The pharmaceutical companies and the fast-food companies and the breakfast food companies with all the junk food have lobby groups and budgets in the billions of dollars and I have $200 but I’ll win.
Brendan: I’m thinking that obviously it's an education piece and an education piece that needs to start quite early in life. Are there any other countries around the world that are doing a particularly good job in relation to this sort of thing?
Peter: one of the beacons around the world in a lot of areas tend to some of the Scandinavian countries. You know what? One of the things that they've done is they got rid of the things like Heart Foundation tick. They got rid of the government rating system. They got rid of the food pyramid and they've gone back and said hold on. This is what you're supposed to be doing. Eating more fruit, more veggies, more nuts, more beans, more all the best and get out in the sun of course over in Scandinavia when there is sun. They’ve just taken this proactive approach.
If we look back at the creation of the food pyramid which was the beacon of healthy eating for 25 to 30 years. Some of it is still taught which is unbelievable. The scientific panel for actually came back and said what you do is have two serves of grain, two serves of duh, duh, duh and they made it. It came back as three times more grain through the lobby groups and that was the food pyramid. That shows up and it's constantly so what we’ve got to do is understand that the politicians are not going to do anything because whether or not they get in although we vote them in is determined by the lobby group.
This reminds me so much of tobacco smoke. I was involved with that for kind of the good 15 years. My research group, I led the paper that we just published was the seminal paper that got all tobacco smoking banned in clubs and pubs in Western Australia.
Brendan: that is huge. What year was that?
Peter: that one started it and then it happened around the country. Finally the last one was New South Wales was about 10 years later. The sole reason New South Wales after WA was because a certain politician took on a very lucrative directorship with Phillip Morris.
Brendan: it's funny actually. I’ve just been over at Europe and we really noticed how much smoking is just Italy and all those other countries. You just smoke at the restaurants everywhere basically.
Peter: they've got these smoke free chairs.
Brendan: that is right. A smoking corner and just waft over everybody else there. We’re quite lucky in many ways in Australia particularly if you're a non-smoker.
Peter: the smokers appreciate it too. They really understand it too. It’s taken a bit of time but kind of 15, 20 years on people understand it. That’s a huge move. We need to do the same for the foods and the healthy eating and healthy lifestyle in Australia. We need to do something significant. A couple of ads on television we know doesn’t make a difference.
Brendan: with your background with the banning the smoking or helping to contribute towards that. Tell me a little bit about the work that you're doing at the moment around the country because I know you are travelling and you are putting on education sessions. Tell us a little bit about what is happening with that.
Peter: one of the things that my research drew me to about 20 years ago was literally gut health. We started looking at toxins in the home and allergies. Then we started looking at these toxins and their effect on the gut. Then we started looking at so for 20 years I’ve been on and off kind of researching. For the last five years we're just focused on gut health but understanding it and the problem for these is most people think when it comes to gut health probiotics. It’s a marketing machine. No, it's not. It’s not probiotics. That is a small part of the solution but the real part is understanding the gut. It’s a really simple concept. We’ve been touring around Australia. We’ve been done I think it's 59 talks this year. We’ve got another probably 41 to go. We’ll get to a hundred or more.
Brendan: that is amazing. Have you done that all off your own bat?
Peter: yes, absolutely.
Brendan: amazing and tell us a bit about that. Do people pay to come and hear you talk?
Peter: I’ve been doing this in Western Australia over in Perth and Fremantle for the last two or three years. We decided well, a lot of people are saying come over east. We did our Queensland tour and with the exception of one town we had booked out venues. Then we had a couple of weeks break back home and then went back to Victoria for three weeks. With no exception we had booked out venues. 80, 100, whatever the room took on, 150 in a place called Bulleen, Victoria. We had a Thursday night talk and it was so successful. We booked out the following Friday night. It’s been immensely successful. People are walking away and most of our marketing is literally word of mouth. We thought it would be Facebook advertising and we'll come to that a bit. People are looking for solutions and the problem is if you go to anyone whether it's the alternative medical solution or the pharmaceutical medical solution because all of that has the appeal.
My message is simple. That may help deal with the symptoms but you've got to get back with some real simple basics. If you understand the gut then I described it where your mouth is alkaline. Your stomach has to be extremely acid. Your small intestine is alkaline again and your large intestine has to be acid again. If any of that gets upset then you've got gut problems. People think oh hold on, it must be the microbios, the probiotics. It really comes back to some really simple basic chemistry and how you can set up in your whole digestive system and it looks after itself.
Brendan: what are some of the basic things that is probably fairly hard to condense it down from a two hour talk but what are some of the basic things that the listeners could be doing to help improve their gut health?
Peter: I reckon I supposed I was just getting to saying we arrived at the first part of the Victorian talk and we spent $25 in a health food store just getting ingredients that are going to last us for the next month and a half. That is how cost effective it is. That isn’t going to solve all of the problems but it’s getting some of the basics done and then you move on to the more complex ones. There are some people with serious gut issues that needs a lot more. The reason I deal with people with inflammatory valve conditions that they are about to have operation. It’s not all going to be simple. One of the simplest things I tell people is sodium bicarbonate. McKenzie's brand sodium bicarbonate.
Brendan: I’ve got some of that in the kitchen. I regularly use it.
Peter: but basically just suggesting to people use the particular thing. First of all it alkalizes the mouth. It alkalizes the blood. It’s anti-inflammatory which is a win. It’s good for physical performance too. That is why they use it to pepper horses in horse races with some sodium bicarb. On top of that it helps alkalize the small intestine.
Brendan: you take that every day? Without giving advice I guess.
Peter: it depends on who you are. I come from the research and the research shows a way here, first thing in the morning is probably the best time. It’s a small amount. Half a teaspoon, mixed in with some water and some of it. That is the type of stuff that comes through. We need to do that. It means that you're alkalizing your small intestine. There is this gut condition called SIBO. A very few people have heard of SIBO but many people know it when I describe it. It’s that bloating you get, 45 minutes of pain, that hard stomach. It feels like absolutely everything is rock hard and blocked around 30 to 45 minutes, 45 minutes to an hour, an hour and a half stuff like that. When I describe it people look at each other and go uh-oh, that is what I’ve got or that is what I started with.
The whole principle there is they've got the wrong type of, well a good bacteria in the wrong spot. The reason that it's there going back to basic chemistry it's the pH. It’s the acid level. In fact that is why I’m getting back to sodium bicarb, one of the simplest solutions not to resolve this totally but a part. Everyone that I talked to I emphasized that everyone is an individual. Everyone has a unique program that they need to test themselves with whether they keep a food diary, a food symptom diary. People can walk away okay, here are 10 things I can start off today and I’ll see how I go, see how I feel and then take the next step. It’s about empowering people. When you consider that we know that that inflammation, not information but inflammation is the cornerstone of every illness out there. Heart attacks, strokes, cancers, you name it, gout right through your arthritis are all linked with inflammation. We picked something as simple as sodium bicarb. You’re getting anti-inflammatory product in at an incredibly low price. No, it's not going to get rid of rheumatoid arthritis overnight and all those things but the point is it's a little thing to do for a long time to get a real benefit.
Brendan: we're going to have to work towards wrapping up now. I’ve just got a few sort of outro questions that I’d like to ask everybody. Can I ask how old you are now?
Peter: going on 62.
Brendan: what do you do apart from your gut health to keep fit?
Peter: I walk. I do really simple strategies when it comes to keeping fit and healthy with myself. If we're on the road you could understand that we're on the road probably this year half of the year. We just walk everywhere. When we can we go to a gym for a 15 to 20 minutes but with some weights. I always get some weight bearing exercise and on top of that I always do my daily squats because they’re the biggest muscles in the body and they're going to keep you the healthiest.
Brendan: how many hours sleep do you get on each night on average?
Peter: pretty well seven, maybe eight. Sometimes it's a bit disrupted and the good thing about my life is if I need to sleep in I do and if I dont I wake up. I can tell you though when it comes to sleep when I left academic life at university about seven years old my sleep improved straightaway. It shows the world of stress of there.
Brendan: do you have any personal goals that you're looking to achieve over the next 12 months?
Peter: I dont have numbers. When I talk about goals I like having a number at the end but our passion, our mission in life is just to change, to improve the health of Australians. This year we'll get to 10,000. Next year I hope we'll get to 100,000 people. When we get to those numbers we know that we're going to make a difference. Then the system will change but when it comes to another new goal I’m writing my next book on mental health. The working title is called Mental Health: The Gut and Nutrition. That will be next year because I just love condensing all the information I have in the books and then talking to people about it.
Brendan: Peter, people want to find out a little bit more about what you're doing. Do you have a website or somewhere where people can get some more information?
Peter: our website is just www.DRDingle.com. In there we've got our events, we’ve got our free newsletter and blogs and things. We’ve also got a little heading there. I think it's called Events and Tour Dates. Anyone can log in there and see when our next round is coming up. We’ve got a couple here in Perth over the next three weeks and we're back to Victoria. We’re going across to Adelaide and then we're already planning November and it's going to be through Victoria, New South Wales again.
Brendan: all right Peter. Thanks very much for your time. It’s been great speaking to you. It’s been very informative on gut health.
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This is an ohs.com.au production Okay, fantastic. So I'm here today with Peter Dingell, who's based in Perth and told me what you what you're currently doing in relation to health and safety. Tell us a little bit about your career.
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Okay, well, Brendan, look, I started out as an academic many, many decades ago, in fact, I think was about three decades ago. And I've always had this passion for looking at more of a total picture of health, not just a treatment, or a symptom, or a drug or even a nutrient. And I've loved the idea of looking at the whole picture. And, you know, with my philosophy that it came back when, when I was teaching, you know, literally hundreds of students and supplements, that you got to look at all of the picture. And
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are you saying the picture in relation to personal health?
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Oh, absolutely. You know, you I mean, they were what I call Well, well, I used to call the Dingle dill diet, environment, attitude and lifestyle. And, you know, there's there's not one area that dominates. And so you can look at it more, some people, some people can hit into a crisis through the stress that they're in. And, for example, some of the work we're doing now on gut health shows that a lot of it is coming from the stress, shutting down the gut, literally shutting down digestion, shutting down the enzyme shutting down the microbiome. Great when it comes to taking supplements, unless you get that side effect, not gonna work the same, you know, you can be the biggest meditator in the world. But if you're eating the wrong foods, then you know your balance that we've got to get in every aspect of our lives. So, you know, we're constantly pushing that. And I suppose what we've been doing lately over the last couple of years, is working on gut health. And, of course, everyone knows what that is. Now, Brendan, if it all got out? Oh, yeah, I know all about that. You know, what surprised us how little people know, in fact, after researching this for quite a few years, I'm surprised how it had the lineup.
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Do you think that there's a trend happening at the moment to people being more proactive towards their health? Or do you think that the, you know, the majority of the population is still reactive?
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The majority is still reactive, I think we've probably got a 5% You know, a 5%, really a concern, doing something and these figures are made up, obviously, but it's 5%. And then we got another 10%, who are sick as hell, and want to do something better than the other 7075 80% Whatever it is, it just sits back and thinks, Well, I'm I'm okay. You know, I'm not showing any signs of a good, although they are basically either white or they get sick or stuff going on the pharmaceutical treadmill and get sicker as a result of it.
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And are you seeing the government doing anything about sort of the nation's health in general to I mean, to support this more of a preventative approach?
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No, not really, it's a token GSDI look at, you know, at the end of the day, they've got one hand, which is telling people not to, not to eat junk foods. And on the other hand, they've got all the the breakfast foods that are sugary, gluten rich, gluten enriched, in fact, it's not just the gluten enriched breakfast foods that have no nutrient value whatsoever. And they're telling people this is the foods for breakfast. That is that is an absolute contradiction in the Heart Foundation, you know, on the one hand, telling people to look after their heart and telling people giving people the absolute wrong message. So this there's too much vested interest in health, there's too much money. And the big players out there that the food industry, the pharmaceutical companies, their medical systems, you know, that billions and trillions of dollars. So when it comes to the final message getting through to the public, that usually been filtered through so many different lobby groups along the way, that that there is there is really no value in that if there's something like 50% of the lobby groups in Canberra. I think like the big pharmaceutical companies.
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So it's almost like whoever's got the most money wins in.
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Absolutely. And I joke in my talks, you know, there's pharmaceutical companies and their fast food companies and the breakfast food companies, which all have a chance to, you know, have lobby, lobby groups and budgets in the billions of dollars and I have $200. But
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yeah, so I'm thinking that obviously, it's an education piece and an education piece that needs to start I firmly in life, are there any other countries around the world that are doing a particularly good job in relation to this sort of thing?
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Well, look, you know, that's one of the beacons around the world in a lot of areas tend to be some of the Scandinavian countries. And, you know, one of the things they've done is they've got rid of the, you know, the things like the Heart Foundation, take, they've got rid of the government rating system, they've got rid of the, the food pyramid, and they've gone back and sit down, hold on, this is what you're supposed to be doing. Eating, eating, more fruits, more veggies, more nuts, more, being more, all of this, and get out in the sun, of course, over in Scandinavia, whenever it's it's really they're just taking this proactive approach to, again, but if we look back at the, you know, the creation of the food pyramid, which was the beacon of healthy eating for 2530 years, and still, some of us still talk, which is unbelievable, you know, it was, he was on the scientific panel for actually came back and said, you know, you want, what you do is have, you know, two serves of two sets of grain, two sets of, you know, they made it, and it came back as three times more green through the lobby groups, and that was the food pyramid that shows up and it's constantly so what we've got do is, is, you know, understand that the politicians aren't going to do anything, because whether or not they get in, although we vote them in is determined by the love of God, because this reminds me so much of tobacco smoke, and why I was involved with that first for kind of a good 15 years, we actually my research group, I led the paper and, you know, we just published was, was the seminal paper that got all tobacco smoking banned in clubs and pubs in Western Australia. Wow. But you know, what Danny was, started it, and then it happened around the country. And then finally, the last one was New South Wales, which was about 10 years later. And the sole reason New South Wales was 10 years after why was because a certain politician took on a very lucrative directorship with Philip Morris.
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As funny as they are just just been over in Europe, and we really notice how much smoking is just, you know, Italy, and, you know, all those other countries that you could smoke at the restaurants everywhere, basically, but
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smoke free chairs. Yes. That's right. Yes. Making
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corner and I just walked over everybody else that there were quite lucky in many ways in Australia that the smoking has been banned, particularly if you're a nonsmoker. Oh, look,
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absolutely look at it, the smoke is appreciated, too. They really understand it, you know, it's taken a bit of time, but then that kind of 1520 years on and people understand it. And that's a huge move. And we need to do the same. For, you know, the foods and the healthy eating and healthy lifestyle in Australia, we need to do we need to do something significant. A couple of ads on television, we know, doesn't make a difference. So you know, with
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with your background with the, you know, painting the smoking or helping to contribute towards that, tell me a little bit about the work that you're doing at the moment around the country, because I know you're you are traveling and you are putting on education sessions, tell us a little bit about what's happening with that.
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One of one of the things that my research drew me to about 20 years ago, which was literally was gut health. And we started looking at toxins in the home and allergies. And we started looking at these toxins and their effect on the gut. And then we started looking at. So for 20 years, I've been on and off of, you know, kind of researching in the last five years, we're just focused on gut health, but understanding it now. The problem the problem, Brendan is most people think when it comes to gut health. So probiotics, again, it's the marketing machine. Let me tell you, No, it's not it's not probiotics. That's that's a small part of the solution. But the real part is understanding the gut. And it's a really simple concept. So we've been touring around Australia, we've done I think it's 59 talks this year so far. And we've got another well, probably 4041 That goes he'll get to 100 or more. And
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that's amazing. And have you done that all off your own bat? Yep, absolutely. Amazing. And, and tell us a bit about that, that people pay to come and hear you talk and look.
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We actually in I've been doing this in Western Australia over in Perth and Fremantle for the last two or three years and we decided well, you know, a lot of people saying come over East. So we did our Queensland tour and when except for the one time we had them booked out venues. And then we went to Victor we had a couple of weeks break back home and then went down to Victoria for three weeks. And it was No exception, we had booked out things. So, you know, at Hulu, wherever the room took out one of the 50 in, in a place called wall a wall in Victoria, we, we had a Thursday night talking also successful, we booked out the following Friday night. You know, so so it's been immensely, immensely successful people see people walking away. And most of our most of our marketing is literally word of mouth yet we thought we'll do better Facebook advertising and more content. People, people are looking for solutions. And the problem is if you go to anyone, whether it's the alternative medical solution, or the pharmaceutical medical solution was all about taking the pill in a my message, my message is simple. But that may help you deal with the symptoms. But you got to get back to some real simple basics. If you understand the gut, then you know, you know I described where your mouth is alkaline. Your stomach has to be extremely acid, your small intestine is alkaline again, and then your large intestine has to be answered again. And if that if any of that upsets, then then you've got gut problems. And people think, Oh, hold on, it must be the microbiome. No, no, no, you know, the probiotics are actually coming back this really simple basic chemistry, and how you can set up your whole digestive system. So it looks after itself? And
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what are some of the basic things that I know that's, you know, probably fairly hard to condense it down from a two hour talk, but what are some of the basic things that the listeners could be doing to help improve their gut health?
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Well, I reckon one of the one of the stories I was getting into Paul was saying, you know, we arrived at the first part of the Victorian tour, and we spent $25 in a health food store, just getting ingredients that are going to last us for the next month and a half. So that's how cost effective it is. Okay. Wow, that isn't going to solve all the problems, but it's getting some of the basics down and then you move on to the more complex ones. And there are some people have been few issues, and that needs a lot more, okay, there is no death, there was people with that, you know, inflammatory bowel conditions, that they're about to have operation. And, you know, so it's not all going to be simple. But you know, one of the simplest things I tell people is sodium bicarbonate. Okay, McKenzie's brands have your podcast,
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or I've got some of that in the kitchen.
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And, and basically just suggesting to people that here is the simplest thing, first of all, it alkalizes the mail, it alkalizes the blood, it's anti inflammatory, which is a wingnut wire, bro, it's good for physical performance. So that's why they used to rip off all sort of horses in horse races, with some sodium. And on top of that, it alkalizes helps, it helps alkalize the swarm in peacetime. And so we use
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depends on who you are. The research is, you know, I come from the research and the research shows, you know, away from a meal, firstly, in the morning is probably the best time. And, you know, it's a small amount of half a teaspoon mixed in with some, some water and, and so on. But, you know, that's the type of stuff that comes through. And when you do that, it means you alkalizing your small intestine, and there's this this this gut condition called SIBO. Now, very few people have heard of SIBO. But many people know it when I describe it. It's that bloating, you get 45 minutes, that pain, that hard stomach that, you know, it feels like absolutely everything is rock hard and blocked around about 4030 minutes, 45 minutes, an hour, hour and a half, stuff like that. Now, when I describe it, people look at a job and go, Oh, that's what I've got. Oh, that's what I started with. And the whole principle there is they've got the wrong type of Well, a good bacteria in the wrong spot. And the reason that there is no go back to basic chemistry, it's the pH. It's the acid level. That's what I'm getting back to sodium bicarb one of the simplest solutions not to resolve this totally but you see everyone I've talked to I emphasize that everyone is an individual. Everyone has a unique program that they need to test themselves workflow. They keep a food diary, a symptom diary. And so people some people can walk away going, Oh, okay, here are 10 things I can start off today. And I'll see how I go. See how I feel. You know, and then take the next step. And you know, it's about it's about empowering people, empowering people. And you know when you consider that we now I'll know that inflammation, not information, but inflammation is the cornerstone of every illness out there. So heart attack strokes, cancers, you name that gout, right through to your arthritis are all linked with inflammation. And when you pick something as simple as sodium bicarb, you're getting an anti inflammatory product in at an incredibly low point. And no, it's not going to get rid of rheumatoid arthritis overnight. And all those things, but, you know, the point is, it's a little thing that you do for a long time to get a real, real benefit. Yeah, yeah. Okay, well look like
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we're gonna have to work towards wrapping up now just got a few sort of outro questions that I'd like to ask that I ask everybody. Can I ask how old you are now?
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Going on? 62.
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Fantastic. And what do you do apart from you got the health to get fit?
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Look, I've walk, okay. You know, I do really simple strategies when it comes to keeping fit and healthy myself. And this is, if we're on the road, you got to understand that, you know, we're on the road, probably this year, half of half of the year. And so we just walk everywhere, when we can we go to a gym for like, you know, a 1520 minute workout, but but with some weights, so I always get some, some weight bearing exercise. And on top of that, I always do my daily squats, because they're the biggest muscles in the body, and the ones that are gonna keep you the healthiest.
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Okay, how many hours sleep do you get on each night on average?
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Pretty well, seven, maybe eight, it's sometimes it's a bit disrupted. And the good thing about my life is if I need to sleep in I do and if I don't, I'll wake up. So yeah. I can tell you though, with when it comes to when it comes to sleep, when I left academic life at university about was that seven years ago, my sleep improved straightaway.
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Right. Okay, that shows the role of stress. Do you have any personal goals that you're looking to achieve over the next 12 months?
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Look at what I don't have numbers. And you know, when I when I talked about goals, I like having a number at the end. But you know, our passion, our mission in life is just to change to improve the health of Australians. And I guess Yeah, we know we're getting to this year, we'll get to 10,000 people next year, I think we'll get to 100,000 people and so on. When we get to those numbers, we know we're going to make a difference. And then the system will change. But when it comes to another little goal, I'm writing my next book on mental health. It's actually the working working title is called mental health, the gut and nutrition. So that'll be out next year, because I just love condensing all the information and science in the books and then talking to people about it.
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And then so Peter, people want to find out a little bit more about what you're doing. Do you have a website or somewhere that people can get some more information?
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Get look out our website is just www. Dr. Dingle. bingo.com, Doctor single.com. And on there, we've got our events, we're going to have a free newsletter and blogs and things. We've also got a little heading there. I think it's called events in two days. So anyone can log in there and see when our next rounds coming up, and I think we we've got a couple here in Perth over the next three weeks and we're back to Victoria. We're going across to Adelaide, and then we're already planning November, and it's going to be through Victorian New South Wales again. Fantastic.
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All right, they will. Thanks very much for your time. It's been great speaking to you and that's been very informative on on on gut health.